Ep 60: A New Way to Accept Payments with SolPress Plugins Cofounder Justin Murray

Justin Murray, the founder of SolPress Plugins, a San Diego business owner and ecommerce and marketing expert, battles the cartel-like payment gateways to pursue his mission of allowing WooCommerce and WordPress sites to accept payments with 0% fees via USD Coin and Solana tokens, opening up a world of possibilities for merchants and buyers alike.

This episode of Dr. Brook on the Block is about SolPress Plugins & Ecommerce. Justin Murray, a local San Diego business owner and founder of SolPress Plugins, shares his origin story and how he got into Web3  and blockchain technology. He discovered Solana, a global blockchain, and connected with the community, collecting 200-300 NFTs, and even buying a new Honda Accord with profits from investing. He then built SolPress to give businesses a way to accept payments in USD coin on their WordPress and WooCommerce sites with no fee and no censorship from payment gateways. Buyers just need a little bit of Solana in their wallet for the gas fee.

"With SolPress and Solana Payments using USD Coin, you can install SolPress Payments on a WooCommerce WordPress website and no one can stop you from doing it - opening up more utility to all these stores around the world!"

In this episode, you will learn the following:

1. How Justin Murray went from Web2 to Web3 and built a successful business in the space.

2. How Solana's proof of history and proof of stake consensus methods work.

3. How SolPress is allowing businesses to use WooCommerce and WordPress to accept Solana tokens for ecommerce transactions with zero fees.

Connect with Justin:

Website: https://solpress.dev/

Twitter (SolPress Plugins): https://twitter.com/SolPressPlugins

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JustinMurray007

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Transcript

[Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Hey. Hey, Dr. Brook. Here your crypto proctor for today's episode of Dr. Brook on the block. I have an amazing copilot to introduce you all to Justin Murray, who is a local San Diego business owner and the founder of SolPress plugins. We're going to talk about SolPress in a moment and get into that, but just wanted to give you a quick little intro on Justin. He's also an ecommerce and marketing has an ecommerce and marketing background. Thank you so much for being on the show, Justin. Appreciate having you here.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Awesome. Thank you so much for having me here, Dr. Brook. I'm not going to wear these silly shades the whole time just from Solana. YouTuber doc sent me those for free last summer and Solana summer, which is cool. Free sunglasses, never turn them down, right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 That is cool.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Thank you so much for having me on here. I'd love to share more about what I've been working on in Solana with Wordpress plugins. It also works with WordPress and anything else you want to chat about as far as Web3 and blockchain technology.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, I know that you're very passionate about Web3. We were talking before the show kicked off or before the recording kicked off. About that. Passionate about Web3. Love it. Sounds like you're building some incredible things in the space and you're here local in San Diego. And for those of you who may not know, solana is global. It is globally known in the entire crypto blockchain space, but it got its name from Solana beach here in San Diego. So it's definitely like a hometown, hometown quote unquote favorite. This is not financial advice. I'm not telling you to invest in solana just because it's a San Diego hometown thing. All I'm saying is, hey, salana has some roots here in San Diego. So, Justin, with that being said, where did you go, Mr.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Sorry to get my dog was chewing on some stuff.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Oh, no worries. Hey, that's fun, right? All kinds of things happen on these rides. But I want to hear from you. What's your origin story? How'd you go from Web2 into Web3? How did you get here?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Okay, cool. So I originally started it was a long time ago, probably like 2013. Wow. I had been doing websites and search engine optimization, and basically a friend came to me and said, hey, I like what you're doing. It seems really interesting. Can you teach me how to do SEO search engine optimization? So with that, I said, okay, it's best to kind of do something that's trending, something that's maybe coming up and going to grow in search volume. So what interests you right now? And he said bitcoin and cryptocurrency. And with bitcoin and cryptocurrency, I heard a little bit about bitcoin. I was going to school for computer networking at Culman university, a small school here. And so I was already kind of a nerd but I was working at Pizzerias, so it wasn't my nine to five at all. Yeah, so basically we started Quicker Coins, which doesn't exist any longer, and I just tried to rebuy the domain, and they want like $2,000 for it because we let it expire like idiots. But we had a blog, large cryptocurrency blog called Quicker Coins, and we just started writing articles. What is bitcoin? What is litecoin? And it was fascinating for me because it was all really new. I didn't think Ethereum existed yet when we first started it. And it was fun to just, like, really dive into something, a new technology. And then the price of bitcoin started skyrocket rocketing up. I forget what year that was. It might have been 2013, 2014. And we got a lot of search volume, so we integrated products into our trending blog posts. We had the top search results for how to mine bitcoin. How to mine bitcoin? With computer hardware and keywords like that, we're getting thousands and thousands of hits. Before you know it, we were selling like $20,000 a month in computer graphics cards. So if you could mine off Amazon affiliate, off the website, and I was paying my rent with Quicker Coins affiliate money.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Nice.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 It was a lot different world. We didn't have, like, bank list, I don't think. A lot of those, like, blogs and YouTube channels and stuff in the industry didn't exist. So there was a lot of info out there a lot less competitive. And then during like, a bear market, we kind of like quicker Coins died and I went on to different web to stuff, and that was a huge mistake, as well as selling all the bitcoin we had made and stuff like that. But that's how we that's okay. It's a difficult story. I paid my rent and stuff like that still a success. And it was unexpected, which was cool. I did some mining myself. I got into that a little bit with east mining and stuff like that, but never really got that deep into it. I didn't have a car for like seven years. I'm big into the green movement, and I didn't really like pushing all that power through and like, the negative aspect of all the mining. It was great to see proof of stake emerging now with Ethan and stuff like Solana and other blockchains moving towards that. But yeah, that's my original story. Thanks.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 That's really cool. I love that story. That's awesome. It's awesome to see you kind of come into Web3 in an interesting kind of roundabout way, like through a web to world in terms of blogging and doing all of that, but then also to now return to the space building and doing other projects, especially with the salon of blockchain. You mentioned something briefly. I know you said you like the green movement and you weren't too big on the whole proof of work, which for those of you listening? I have an entire episode all about consensus methods and it's basically the rules and regulations in which the blockchains follow. Proof of work is what Bitcoin uses. Proof of stake is Ethereum. Now, Solana actually uses something called proof of history. Do you want to talk about proof of history a little bit as a tiny little bit of learning lesson for those that might be listening?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yes, actually it uses both with proof of history and basically that's a good way to easily explain this.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 It timestamps instead of it's kind of.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Similar to how some cellphone technology works and it is a way for validators and the network to keep track of blocks and it allows for such things like serial or sorry, parallel processing of the transactions and you can fit a lot more into the blocks and they can move a lot faster. And that's probably the main benefit of that. Cool.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 With all the blockchains out there, what got you so passionate about Solana to want to build on the Solana blockchain?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Okay, I'd like an original story with that too.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 I love it. Let's bring it.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Come on, Justin. It was brave browser. I've never really left Web3. I always use Brave browser and kind of kept an eye on the industry even during bear markets and dabbled in investing in NFT. And I really never got into NFS until I won the Brave browser like meme competition on their subreddit, the Bat Project subreddit. And they had a battle. I don't think it exists any longer, but for a short time, they're testing their own little NFT store marketplace and swag store. And I got like a Brave T shirt and stuff like that. They sent me and a bunch of other stuff right now streaming this.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 I'm on brave.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yeah, same. It's my favorite browser in the world. I think everybody in Web3, you should be using Brave. I think they're going to crush it with their cross chain multi chain wallet built into the browser. Extensions are slow clunky security implications. So I really like great browser. I'd heard a couple of friends mess around Ethereum, NFTs and making money and all that, but I like gas fees and stuff. And I was like, I'm not going to risk that. I'm a very low risk person generally. And I won the Brave competition. And I'd seen that Solana had entered and I believe they won the themes RSC plus C for Brave browser. It's a request for code and comments and basically Brave browser put it out there that we want to move our reward system on chain. Right now it's off chain via things a token on ETH, and they can't reward millions of users and pay that gas fee. Right. How are you going to even pay a dollar gas fee when you're paying somebody $5 a month? Right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 So Solana. I believe they're slowly moving to themes on Solana and that kind of put it on my radar. And I looked more into Solana at the beginning of last summer. I believe it was. Maybe it was more towards the Spring area. I started looking into it. I realized one of the founders was here in Qualcomm San Diego. He worked there previously. I know people who worked at Qualcomm. I chatted with them. I looked into Anatoly, the founder of Solana. I looked into the technology and I tested it, and I loved it. And the people that I talk to, they said he's great. He's a wonderful worker, he's a good guy, and he's a genius level guy as far as it comes to programming and developing networks and this type of stuff. Qualcomm. If you're in San Diego, you know is a huge company. If you have an Apple Android cell phone, you may have a Qualcomm modem or chip in there. They've done really amazing foundational work on cell phone networks and stuff. So that's where I think Anatole got a lot of his experience in creating Solana. What he wants to have as a global state machine, something that can really scale. So I looked into that. I got some street cred on Anatoli and tested it out. And I was like I like Solana. I minted a salon monkey business and some of their first NFTs, which I paper handed very quickly. But then the more I got into it I love the community. I saw and met a lot of really amazing artists. I collected probably 200 300 NFTs on Solana now.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Wow.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 I Bought A New, Brand New Honda Accord with Some Of My Profits and Stuff Like that. And I Dabble In DeFi And NFTs and Solana. Generally, I Go Into Other Chains and I Have A Lot Of Ethereum and Stuff Like that and Some NFTs. But generally I like to use Solana because there's less risk when you have really extremely subpenny gas fees. And it's very fast for stuff like ecommerce coming from my ecommerce background. Somebody who takes your website down from 5 seconds to two second load time and I can make you a lot of money doing that along the way.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Right? Very Cool. I love it. I'm like, wow, I'm getting very bullish on Solana just listening to you. Not that I've been bearish on Solana. Solana has had some little hiccups along the way. They've been working those through and they've managed to I mean, gosh the beginning of 2021. I think their token or their coin was, I don't know, 25 $30. And it got all the way close to, like, $300 at the height of the Bull Run in November of 2021. So in a short amount of time, that thing went really high. And that's just on the price, not just the fundamentals. And you're talking a lot about the fundamentals of what makes Salana great. You now have turned around and built Solana press and plugins and allowing people to use WooCommerce. Right? And WordPress, let's put some pieces together. If we need to do some screen sharing, let's do it just to help people really determine or help them understand how to actually use products in the Web3 world to what they're already doing.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Okay, so SolPress It is a passion project of mine. So I started my business over ten years ago, my web to business basically with free tools. I was living in renting a garage room in Pacific Beach and going to school at the same time and wanted to start my own marketing website company. The tools I use, the primary tool I use is WordPress. Why? Because it's free and open source compared to Squarespace and all those other website builders. They cost monthly fees and stuff like that. And for essentially starving college kid, I didn't have those monthly fees. So I started making some websites in WordPress and I loved it. I love the ability to install a plugin and add in a whole social media functionality or whole ecommerce functionality with WooCommerce. So WordPress is not just for blogging anymore. 20 30% of the websites on the internet now are built with WordPress. It's all open source and free to use Wordpress.org and they have a paid version that's WordPress.com. I primarily mess with WordPress.com just like Solana is open source. Just like Solana blockchain is open source. Just like how Ethereum is open source. I really want to push that in Web3. In blockchain industry, if you're building something, please open source it. But basically with SolPress, I saw a need for Solana to connect with web to communities and particularly WordPress. WordPress is 400 million websites and they have an ecommerce system called WooCommerce. It's like shopify and there are over 4 million stores on WooCommerce. I run a local San Diego store all on WooCommerce. It's billion creation. We're one of the top sellers of Padres hats in the nation. It's a wonderful platform and you can install WordPress, WooCommerce and get started for free, basically minus your website hosting costs. So I saw owning a CBD store and working with a lot of ecommerce companies in the past. I saw unfair treatment by payment gateways. Those are credit card companies, the companies that work with credit card companies to allow your online store to take credit cards. You can also work with PayPal and they have similar problems. But the problem I was having was they randomly shut down CBD stores when literally kids were having seizures, needed their supply of CBD and stuff like that. It's a really kind of sensitive product to all of a sudden your payment gateway doesn't work and you can't accept credit cards on a store that's selling $8 million in CBD. You get a lot of crazy emails. Yeah, or they charge you an unfair amount, three to 6% or something higher because you're in a high risk industry, like adult industry or something like that. You're labeled in the same thing. So that's all just the payment gateway cartels that's visa mastercard authorized.net, who works with them. More businesses have been created and more online ecommerce has happened over the past 1020 years. But fees and prices haven't really gone down for businesses and merchants. So that's why I kind of call them the cartel. They kind of like control things and they regulate everything. And it's really kind of dangerous how they censor and abuse things with higher rates. So with SolPress and Solana payments using USD coin, you can install SolPress payments on a WooCommerce WordPress website and no one can stop you from doing it. I don't care or know if you have a CBD store or anything else. And there's no fee for the merchant, for the business, there's no three to 6% credit card fee. It's 0% fee.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 And they can accept USD fee.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yes, right now it's a USD coin.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Which is a USB coin.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Okay, yeah, which there's going to be people say, okay, USDC is not permissionless, it can be censored. We're working on a version where you can just add in your own Solana token, any Solana token you'll be able to use in the website and accept that. And we're working on that. There's a lot of NFT projects I think need that one, except puff token to their WordPress WooCommerce website, scrap token, any of these NFT projects, they have tokens now, so why not use them for ecommerce and open up more utility to all these stores around the world? Right, so we have the payment plugin which connects WooCommerce to Solana pay with USDC 0%. For businesses, the buyer has to have a little bit of salon in their wallet and USD coin, of course. So a little bit of Solana or sole in their wallet is the gas fee, right? Just like on Ethereum, there's a gas fee, it's called rent on Solana generally, and the fee is much less. Where even Ethereum has e two, the fees are $5 a dollar or whatever. It's still not going to work well for payments at scale. Well, Solana is .0002, $0.05, five, $0.06. It's subpenny and that's what's important. If we want to beat credit card companies, we have to be cheaper, we need to be faster and a better experience. And it's not possible on most chains. Maybe like bitcoin, if you layer another chain on top of it, like a layer two, like I'm not sure how all that works, but lightning network on top of bitcoin, for example, maybe faster, more photo things. But you sacrifice composability, you sacrifice the ability, which is like the ability for them to work within that ecosystem without having to bridge and incur other fees and complications. So we got the payment plug in. And then another thing is how many websites do we log in with every day with social login or email? And then you have a password and you have your email account jammed up with all these website logins and registrations and all this stuff, right? Then you have social media logins where you got to worry about if I log into this website to write a review on Yelp or whatever it may be. This blog, a comment on this blog, is Facebook and Twitter tracking all this? Do they own this? What happens if I delete my Twitter account? There's a lot of questions. There are concern with data privacy and all that. So we also made SolPress Login, which is so close to being released. Like almost every day I wake up and I test it and I think we're ready, but we're very close to release. And this allows you to log into any WordPress or WooCommerce website, any 400 million plus WordPress website with us, any Solana wallet, the top Solana wallets. So you don't need to remember your password for every email you sign up or every website you sign up for and which email you use, or create a bunch of burner emails. And you don't have to log in with your social media. You can log in with your wallet address. And that could be an empty wallet that's not tied to your NFTs, your tokens or anything. It could be essentially a burner wallet that you use just for logging in to that website, right? And in Phantom, you can quickly create new wallet addresses and you can label them. So you could literally have like a SolPress login wallet if you want to. Those are our two plugins right now. And then we have a paywallet one too, which I'll be releasing along with the login one. And that allows you to basically have to purchase a product to a USD coin to access content.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Okay, and forgive me for not maybe understanding as clear as I could be, but would that be like logging it or creating like a membership type thing?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yes, you could do that.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 You pay the coin to access the content, it's like, well now I'm part of this membership group because I paid in to get the content.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yeah, and I've talked to a couple of NFC projects and store owners looking to do that. We don't have NFC Gating yet where you can log in only if you own NFC, right? Hats in the plants or roadmaps too. There's so much fun stuff we can do here. I've really had to limit it based on my foundation grant and my time, as well as the two developers I work with. But it's been a wonderful experience. I've learned an insane amount over the last eight months plus that I've been working on, and it's something that I think we can really get companies, businesses to use and integrate a lot of web to websites. And people will start using that web to experience and I won't even know about it a lot of the time, but I think it'll scale. Well, that's awesome.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 It's so exciting. Do you want to take maybe like a couple of minutes here? Maybe like three to five minutes and maybe like walk us through? For those of you who are watching, Justin had said, or we were talking behind the scenes too, about maybe doing like a screen share so people can kind of see what that might look like. I'd love that.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yeah, let me share my screen real quick.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah. And then for those of you listening on podcast platforms, either A, you can go to YouTube and actually see the video and then we'll do our best to actually verbalize kind of like what's happening on each screen. So very cool.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 So what I can do, let me just open my wallet, switch my wallet so people don't see a bunch of my stuff here.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yes.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 We shared here. Present. There we go. And share screen. Okay, cool. You should see SolPress website here.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yes.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Okay, cool. So this is SolPress Dev. You can see I've got the payment gateway version 2.0 here. That includes most major wallets. We have another version I'm about to release that includes QR code and some other support and then the SolPress login plugin. You'll be downloaded here. You can also find our payment gateway on the WordPress repository, which makes it easy for people to download your plugins directly into WordPress store. So here if I go to the regular WordPress login store, a lot of websites have this customized. So you don't really see all this. And let me get past this little capture here. But this is a standard kind of taxis.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 There's no taxis.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 It's my web hosting company. So here you can see this is a regular WordPress login screen. You can also see there's a registration one here. This is a downside of using a privacy browser.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 They're really concerned that you might be a robot.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 I know about the website here. So here you can see this is a regular registration for a website where you can register with your username and email and they'll automatically send you a secure password, all that stuff. So it's set up here. Alternatively, some of them have create your own password, stuff like that. And then some people also have the social media logins here. We can log in with your Facebook, Twitter, all that. This is what we've created. See the select wallet here. I go ahead. I can use the Brave browser wallet already, which we support, which supports Solana. Or I can use my phantom wallet. You can see it's reading my Phantom wallet address. I click register with a wallet. And this actually you can see here, can you actually see that on the screen?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, just sign message.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Cool. So this is Phantom wallet popping up. I customize the welcome message of the sign in. This isn't costing anything as far as the transaction or anything as far as fee and then redirected me to a secret Web3 only page. So I registered for this website and with my wallet address without giving an email or any social media login. And I send people this silly little meme that's a lot of summer. It's a little meme video about the founder. So that's how it works. Now I'm logged in under my wallet address to a WordPress website, of which there are 400 million in the world.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Now because you guys are a WordPress plug in. Is this something that can be supported on all those 4 million websites that are hosted on WordPress?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yeah, if you have a wordpress.org website, you have an open source website. And I think I might even work on some you can easily find in the WordPress repository. It'll be there. The login plugin will be there soon, and the payment plugin already is. And you can always hit me up on Twitter or anywhere else if you have any issues with them. Yeah, we've had quite a few people just kind of it's a new technology, so it's confusing, right? Yeah.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 I think a lot of people might see like connect with the wallet and for those people who have not completely on boarded into the Web3 space, they're looking at like, what do you mean connect the wallet? What am I buying or what am I engaging in? And then they probably run away. And so that's what I enjoy doing is helping people properly on board into the Web3 space. Because I feel like when people have education coming in, they're that much better off engaging with this type of platform and this type of tool, then somebody who's getting in just because their homie or their brother's sister's boyfriend told them to buy a token and they got in and they're just like, what am I doing?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 I think that's really important, that onboarding of people. I would love to add little helper links in the checkout and on other places next to the wallet perhaps where they can learn more. I do have some documentation here, which I'll be updating over the next week or two. Documentation for buyers, documentation for store owners, as well as documentation for the login plugin. And I've still got to write the paywall one. I also have helpful links where you can learn about USDC on Solana, learn about Solana pay, learn about WooCommerce. And then I have this test product where if you have a little bit of USD coin in your wallet, at least a penny, and you have a little bit of Solana in your wallet, like zero one Solana or something, a couple bucks a Solana will be enough for the gas fee. You go and you add the cart and it won't actually take that couple of bucks. It just needs like that in your wallet, you know what I mean?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Kind of a weird thing about Solana, but really transaction fee for a bio be under a penny. So this is Sole Press. This is a regular checkout on a WordPress WooCommerce website. And you can see here, you put in all your details. I'll put in some details real quick. And you can see it's a penny product. I go down here. Instead of a credit card checkout, it's a connect wallet button. So I go and connect that connects to my phantom wallet. I'm already logged in. I hit pay with Solana pay. If you had a mobile browser, you could scan, a mobile wallet, could scan the QR code and that would process the transaction. Or you can hit approve and that will take out a penny. Why it's saying this is because I'm using a wallet that actually is the same as a merchant wallet as this website too. So it won't work. But if I were to hit approve, we would process the transaction and it would happen in probably 500 to 500 milliseconds to a second. So that's really fast. It's often faster than you can pull out a credit card and input a credit card or remember your PayPal login. And it's also missed and affordable. And that's how our checkout works.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Sorry, Justin, finished what you're saying. I didn't mean to cut you off.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 No worries. Just plenty of documentation for you. And I'll have more coming and you can always contact us if you have any questions. Trying to be really good with support and helping people out since it's such a new web. Three technology.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Nice. I love that. So very cool. Thank you for that walkthrough of how that all works. And so, just for an added piece of clarity, do the merch, do the websites, the 400 million well, not all 400 million have like check out sites. But like for the ones that have WooCommerce, do they have to then decide that they're going to take Solana payments as currency or as payment for their services? Never mind. I think I figured out my own question. And for those of you listening as I kind of rambled my way through that, those websites, all they need to do as the shop owner, if I was the shop owner, they download the SolPress plugin and they can start accepting cryptocurrency as form of payment or Solana or USDC in this case.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Correct? It's just USDC right now.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Oh. Just USDC got it.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yeah, you'll need a little bit of salon for gas. But there's mountain pay MTN. Pay on Twitter, and a couple of other companies that are working with Solana pay to make it so you can pay with that transaction, the gas with USCC, so you don't need salon in your wallet, too. Those gas list transactions, that's really going to get rid of that complication layer where you can just send somebody to go buy USDC on Solana from Coin base or FTX or whoever without saying, oh, remember to get a little bit of salon in your wallet too. Once we integrate that. Gas list layer. It's going to be kind of game over for payments.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 That's awesome. That's awesome. Okay, Justin, I want to ask you one of the questions, like when we were talking before we jumped on, like, texting or typing back and forth versus our verbal talking, you have stated that I missed one word in my words of Web3 mini dictionary. What is that word?
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Composability.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Composability. Nice. To find out for me, I'll have to add that in there. I don't even know the definition.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 I don't know the exact definition. But in what we're speaking of, like blockchain Web3 technology, you're generally looking at the ability for the whole ecosystem to be composable and work together. There's layers to it, too, right, where Ethereum by itself has good composability. But then you have layer two, which it kind of needs to do stuff like payments and scale, well, that kills composability. Sharding doesn't help either. And then Salon has an issue where not everybody's open sourcing all their smart contracts. And that kills composability, too. But if you look at Brave browser, if you look at Helium Network and why they're moving to Solana, a large part of it is composability. And that's just because Helium Network with its own L One, they're having problems keeping that up. And it's had a lot of issues. Hard to run your own L one, right? So they're moving to Solana. They decided to move to Solana. And it's going to allow those Helium owners, like my roommate have a Helium on my patio right now, a Helium miner.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Nice.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 It's going to allow them to use those tokens in Solana DeFi to use for NFPs for payments through SolPress Plugins. It adds that utility layer, which we all need. And that's why we hear about a lot about the Solana community. And I'm sure Ophthal and sue and a lot of the other L ones are going to push for composability is essential.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Love it. Love it. Composability. I got to make sure I get that added into the updated version, too.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 I love the dictionary. It's great.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 It's great.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Hate on it. But yes, I would love to help you with it.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Thank you. I appreciate that. Definitely. I love the Web3 space because it is very community driven. So if you're listening to this episode and you feel like there's still a lot for you to learn, shameless plug here, download that Web3 mini dictionary will help you define some of the terminology, like layer one. Like Justin just said, which layer one is essentially in the simplest form of like a blockchain. So, I mean, it can get into nitty gritty and we're not going to get into that right now. But download those words of Web3 and it will set you on a path to at least educating yourself a bit more in this space. So awesome. Justin, thank you so much for being there. Where can people connect with you.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 You're welcome. Thank you so much for having me. I think we need more of this multichannel social media marketing for Web3. You can find me the best place to SolPress plugins and I also have Justin Murray seven Twitter out there. I'm also on Discord under Justin Murray, but the best place is probably the SolPress plugins. Twitter. I'm pretty active on Twitter and we have an email connect to the website too. SolPressteam@gmail.com, I believe. Yeah. Hit me up. I'd love for you to test it out. Hit me up with any questions. I work with other blockchains too and I'm just here to learn and share. And one other thing. We have Solana meetup group. I just started on Meetup.com and we're going to try to do an on chain. Really interesting.  Local San Diego Solana event. Monthly event.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah. In Solana Beach, right? You got to do it in Solana Beach. Justin
 
[Justin Murray]
 We got to do at least one there.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 At least like you have to do most of them there.
 
 [Justin Murray]
 Yeah. And we got to find the founder in Anatoly for that.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 There you go. There you go. Awesome. Well, Justin, all of those links where people can find you, I will put in the show notes for you. Listening, it is so much easier just to click the link and get to exactly where you're going. I don't want people to have friction, to intrigue, to be able to connect with you more because you're an awesome person. Fellow San Diego, which is awesome. Glad to connect with more of us San Diego peeps as well. But for those of you listening, you know the drill. As we pull this ride into the station, make sure you keep your arms and legs and don't in the ride and don't try to climb out before it's over. Step out to your right and I will see you on the next one.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 You made it. Congratulations. That wasn't so bad, was it? I hope you laughed and learned a little bit more about this Web3 universe and how simple and fun it can really be. Would you be so kind as to leave us a review and share it with your friends and family? It would mean so much to get this out to more people as we embark on the greatest transfer of wealth that has ever happened in human history. Can't wait to see you on the next one.