Ep 62: Triple O Games: A New Frontier in Blockchain Gaming with Isidro Quintana

In this episode of Dr. Brook on the Block, Isidro, co-founder and CEO of Triple O Games, joins Dr. Brook to discuss blockchain gaming and how it is disrupting the way we engage with the internet today.

Isidro Quintana is the co-founder and CEO of Triple O Games, a tech startup integrating blockchain into video games. He has won a Goa Award for his animation work and has been featured in a TEDx Talk.

This is Isidro's story...

Isidro Quintana is the CEO and co-founder of Triple O Games, a tech startup that integrates blockchain into video games. He has won a Goa Award for his animation work and has been featured in a TEDx Talk. He started the company in 2018 with the goal of creating web three games that use blockchain technology. The company has 22 employees who work remotely all over the world. Quintana is also a teacher at Oxford University, where he teaches about blockchain technology and its potential applications in gaming.

In this episode, you will learn the following:

1. How blockchain gaming is disrupting the way we engage with the internet

2. The potential for games to have sustainable economies where players can earn money

3. The importance of balancing intrinsic and extrinsic motivation in games

Connect with Isidro:

Website: https://tripleogames.com/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/isidro_quintana

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Transcript

[Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Hey, Dr. Brook here with another incredible episode of Dr. Brook on the Block. I am joined by my co pilot, Isidro, who is the co founder and CEO of Triple O Games. I am not going to ruin it. I love what the name of the company and for OOO, I'll let him tell you what that's about. But it is a tech startup integrating blockchain into video games, allowing for super unique gaming experience. He has won a Goa Award for his animation. He's worked with Disney, Marvel and Warner Brothers and has been featured in A TEDx Talk. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited you're here.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 I'm super excited. Thank you very much.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, of course. I have a little young daughter who plays Roblox and all the gaming systems that are out there today. So we've been having a lot of discussion over the past 18 months or so about how Web Three and gaming is going to shift the way in which these people play these games, which you're going to talk about today. But I always ask my copilot on the show, what is their intro story into Web Three? How did you first hear about blockchain or how did you get into bitcoin? Where did you come in with all of this right now?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So the first time that I hear about VidCon, it was 2013 and I was in a kind of Liberty Party discussion about new things, technology, and how we can give more freedom to people and the society itself. And they were talking about bitcoin and how different can bring independent freedom, individual financial freedom, let's say, to people. I didn't pay too much attention, but they keep talking. And it was in 2015 when I really started to be reinvesting, like, oh, I really have to invest a little bit. But it was in 2017 when I really invest my time, my money and everything into technology. Because I really saw there were a huge potential in games because I always worked in games and I saw huge possibilities to use watching technology into games. So I started in 2018 this company. It's called Triple Games or out of Office Games.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 I love it. Out of office. The whole team works remotely, right? Yes, I love that. Out of Office games, we are 22.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Always spread it distributed all over the world.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 That's awesome.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 We are using the same philosophy in the team that they use, let's say in the blockchain. So, yeah, pretty happy.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 That's awesome. That's such a fun, incredible story. Like the way you came into it. From reading Freedom Party talks on the Internet to kind of just kind of waiting and seeing what was happening and then actually taking the plunge in 2017 and then catching a really big fire because a lot of people just kind of invest in cryptocurrency or invest in blockchain or bitcoin, but they don't really create or they don't really develop. And the fact that you go, okay, I'm going to invest. I'm going to put my own money into this. And then not only am I going to put my own money, I'm going to build a project and build a company around this up and coming technology that is shifting the way in which we all connect and do business. And then you're like, over here like, all right, we're going to build a team. We're going to have everybody work out of office, and we're going to build this culture that's wonderful and thriving. So kudos to you on that. I love it.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Thank you very much. It was super funny because when I did that, well, I always be a creator since I was a little tunnel. And this is my second startup, so I have another one. And I always love disruptive innovations. I saw the possibilities of Bitcoin. I studied at Oxford Blockchain Program, so I presented their idea of play to earn. What they know now is play to earn. I presented my final assignment, exercise, so I can text like I am super pioneer in that kind of trend that now everybody knows. Right? So pretty happy to be in the wave, right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yes, absolutely. That's incredible. And are you currently teaching at Oxford University as well?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, so that's one story because it happened like this. So teachers love the project. So one of the teachers loved it so much that he wanted to be with the project as well. So now he's my business partner. And this guy is Stephen Douglas. He's the first guy to introduce blockchain technology in the Department of Defense of the United States in the super crazy thing. So it started like Way, and he continued giving classes, and it grows. And because teachers were seeing how I evolved, they wanted me to teach because they now have a project that it's having success that can present to the students. Like, listen, you can convert your ideas into a startup and it could be successful. So, yeah, I'm being teacher right now at Books work.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Wow, that is so awesome. Not only did you get to teach there, you presented your start up there and then now you said one of your co founders or one of the people with the company also is there, right? Yes, and that's the one that did the Department of the Defense bringing Blockchain into the Pentagon.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 It's crazy. What are you doing with us? Making games. This is a real use?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, absolutely. Okay, cool. That is such a cool story. Oh, my goodness. Well, tell us about Triple O games. Like, pretend that you're talking to me or the audience, because in this case, you will be talking to the audience and the people listening to this. If they had very little knowledge on blockchain gaming, how would you break it down to somebody like, what would you tell your class whose first day of class they're sitting in your room? What would you tell them about blockchain gaming and where it's at right now and where it's going.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Let's call blockchain gaming. Like web three gaming right now, everybody's speaking about web three. So we are making web three games for blockchain games. So web two games always work this way. You have to pay for enjoyment and then the games always involve business models. Still, a model that we have now is free to play. Basically you can play a game on the mobile device and for free. And if you advance, you have to pay for things, more characters or if you lose many lives, you can recharge the life that you pay, this kind of stuff. But you never can recover your money anyway because what you have is always a license of use of the things that you are using in the game. Because you basically said, well, I'm enjoying so I have to pay for this experience. Okay, that's good. So there were a problem. The problem is, okay, I can buy a Carter and let's think about Super Mario. I bought a Mario, or even it was for free. I played with Mario and I've been playing with Mario like three months. And I put this Mario level 80 and it has super power, supercharged spend a lot of time and it's going to be locked there forever. Protein Games allows you to give you a new possibilities into this business model. It's allowing you to use to be the property rights of these digital assets. So if you have the property rights, that means that you can sell it, that you can trade it, that you can do a lot of stuff. You can bring your carte into another stuff, into another game, into another virtual spins, into another. So the possibilities are awesome. It's huge. So it's like open a door that was closed. And that's why we are trying to do with Rocky.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 That's so awesome. And I want to just add a little piece to that because you did talk about the fact a lot of these free to play games, you don't earn anything and you do have to spend money to advance. You may even spend time, right? Because some of these ads or some of these games, when you're playing them on your mobile phone, it says, oh, you got to watch this 32nd ad in order to go to the next level. And so you're just watching all this garbage, right? And I think about this with my eleven year old child. I'm like, what is this? And it's a random pop up ad that she shouldn't even be watching. But it's coming from a game that she's playing. So it's almost the most like money you can recover, okay, maybe you've spent money that can kind of come back in different ways, but time spent doing something doesn't come back. So while you're enjoying the game and while you're playing like Cidro used the example of Super Mario or Mario Brothers. He enjoyed playing that for three months, but now he has the ability with blockchain to say, I'm going to spend the three months playing that. But then I can also convert these assets into real cold, hard cash and be able to use that cash to go on a vacation or to take his family out to the movies or to do something with. And that when he talks about opening the door to have so many incredible opportunities. That is what Blockchain is doing. It is completely disrupting the way we engage with the internet today.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Totally agree. And I have to include something because games were locked room let's say where the game developers control the game economy. There's no money coming in and it's all for the game developers. But because there were many ways to earn money over there a new stuff and a new business started to come out and it was twitch YouTube. So people started to stream and suddenly we have streamers playing games, having revenue because they are explaining or playing the game. Yes, because we really need to evolve the business model because there's huge amount of players, there's more players every year like future model. So this is a natural evolution. You can't say no to this. It's a natural thing. So why? Because it works like a real world. If you are playing three months with your supermarket and you create and you get bored and you want to sell it probably someone with more money don't want to spend three months to put it in that way and to buy it to keep enjoying the experience. It's like the real world, it's the same thing. So why we are not if it's so powerful, why we are not like right now we are super advanced. It's because corporations wants to have the control apple wants to have the control. Apple just for beat entities, google because we are open the door to let's say remove a little bit revenue for them because we are spreading it. We are giving freedom to people. So those companies who are making millions with games don't want that. Imagine for night that you can buy and skin clothes and you can resell it. My theory and my hypothesis would be if you can do that, I think epic the guys it's going to make much more money because they are the ones who are creating new stuff into it.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So if you allow people to sell you can do something like you can get fee for every transaction, right? So you are getting more money. So there's a huge economy complexity behind these because now it's linear create something, someone buy it and get some experience and that's it. Now we are adding complexity to the economy. It's more like world economy. Right? So that's where we are innovating triple games. It's innovating bringing up sustainable economies where people can earn money and the game can work in a sustainable way. Because what we have been seeing with these games like Axe and I don't know, Axis is the most famous work game that it doesn't work because it's token based economy where everyone wants to earn money. The economy doesn't work right now you have to produce in the economy if you want to earn money, you have to produce something like a product or a service. But if you are not doing anything, you can't earn money. I mean, and that's how we games, most of them works. Like, okay, you invest this money because next month you are going to earn double and it's against the economy. So the economy collapse because it creates kind of parliament schemes. Sometimes they don't want to, but finally it gets to that way. So we are specializing that thing like creating economy policies that are healthy to the game, healthy to the people so they can enjoy game experience. Meanwhile, they are earning money in a good way. How only the best to earn money.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Sorry, go ahead. I want to jump in there and say something but finish that last statement.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 How only the best money like in real life is like that.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Life is truly like that. And so there's a lot that I want to unpack there and a lot I want to ask you about with Triple O games. I want to ask have you heard of stepping?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 The stepping? No.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 It's an NFT shoe. Like you buy shoes.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, I hear about it.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Okay. Essentially, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I know a lot about it other than when it first came out, when the app first launched. Because it's an NFT project built on the Solana blockchain and it has to economy it, right? People earn tokens and they can cash it out, but they buy their shoe and then they go out for walks in their neighborhood. Like physically, their physical person goes out for walks and does all that and they earn money for doing this. Well, the way that tokenomics were built into it almost created a bubble effect that now the NFTs have no like very little value. And people who are making $500 a day going on walks with their stepping shoes are not even making that much money like they were at one point. Because you're talking about it's not about just playing a game and just earning tokens because you're there, because you're participating. But it's like a hierarchy. If you're a better player, you're going to earn more. If you are barely engaging, you're not going to earn anything. And I really want you to go into detail about how Triple O games is combating this whole issue of just getting a game or a project to pop and then everything comes crashing down.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, it's super complex thing to receive.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Super complex.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 I know you have been four years, in fact four years working on this issue.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Okay.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Learning lessons for another project, another games, what they do good, what they do bad in terms of economy overall, we try to understand how life works, real world and we are using a more street economics approach like more freedom, let's say free market theory applied. So what we are doing is basically diving with activities some tasks that it could be reward or you can be paying. So for example, a little example you can participate in the tournament like in the real world and you have to pay a fee like $5 and they say well it would be ten winners and they are going to spread the final reward between the best.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Okay?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So with that you have a clear, how can I say it like behavior. It would be easy to understand for people without saying the easy word. It's basically a hook to catch money for the founders. If you spend this money you are going to triple or make a millionaire next month, right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So that's not about we are pretty clear with our players. At the end of the day people are playing the game because they want to have fun. All these things, it's a feature. It's a new feature and this new feature plugged in allow us to plug in new things into a game. So that said, I think when three game developers forget about fun, they said basically the forensic motivation of earning money is enough. That's not true. No, I mean life doesn't work like that. If you end up working in your work job and you're earning a lot of money right now you are going to stay if you are not enjoying really your job.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Right?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So it has to have a balance, right? It happens the same life and in the game, if you are not having fun in the game, you are going to abundant. So it is true that economy rewards or any reward is a principle motivation like getting a batch is a collective rule and we want to collect things. You don't have to get money for it, but you really want to get it because it's how the brain works. I mean the psychology works, right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 So true.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So it has to be like a balance between intrinsic motivation that I really want to play because I enjoy the street and the strength motivation of I'm going to play because I'm going to Hermond. So what we did on is to balance that. So right now we are creating a game that you can play for free and you don't have to spend any money on it and trade or you can compete and you really want to spend more time and money trying to get money.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So that's why we are doing differently and it took a while. It's not an easy system. It's not like you have to do ABC. I mean you have a complex root, a complex thing, it's not easy to copy. Let's say for example, if you have played the last supercell games like Class Royale or Bro Stars or these kind of games or even Handicrafts, those kind of things, you have seen that they have been evolving in how they monetize users because they are understanding how they work and how they can engage more users. So for example, they have something called the bottle pass. It's basically a ticket. If you buy a ticket, you have more rewards.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Okay?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So you can monetize better. So they discover that they include that. So as the same thing you can use watching as a feature. And now you can sell probably instead of getting more rewards, you get the possibility to get an NFT and with that NFD you can compete and then you do more stuff. Even government themes, deciding how the game is going to go, you can sell that NFP, you can do a lot of stuff. So there's a huge amount of possibilities. I open up with the blockchain that people don't understand, but it's huge.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, it is such a big aspect of web three period of the blockchain. NFTs in my personal opinion, I feel like are what is going to bring mass adoption into this space. We are sitting at a very low percentage of people who are even utilizing blockchain. That's not going to be the case in ten years. It's going to be a lot higher. Fast moving train, you know this. But I think it's interesting that you had talked about initially. So Triple O games is almost in a way allowing a barrier to entry to come down by allowing people like a free version of the game to play. But then if you want to interact on different levels then essentially you're going to be purchasing in NFT. Whether you understand what NFCs are listening to this, those of you listening, in order to operate in the game, if you want to get those rewards and the financial payouts, then you do have to participate in the game through NFT. So I would like to know specifically, are you guys building on a specific blockchain right currently or are you guys going to be trying to be kind of across multiple different chains?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Well, we have been working the last four years with many blockchain testing, even with Bitcoin.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Okay.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 But finally we are working with finance much. So it's pretty cool how it works. But we are using violence just because they have this community.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 It is a big community.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, if you have violence you have everything. So the technology part is the easy part.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Really.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 The hard part is the utility that.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 You are giving to that.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So speaking about when you're talking about even as a free player, we create a system where if you are pretty good player, you can earn an Ft. So let's say for me something super cool that if you're a child in Africa or India and you are not earning a lot of money, or even any money. It's shocking how some Africans have mobile devices, smartphones, and they don't have electricity and water, right? But they have a smartphone. It's great.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So what if we bring something like that where people can play and they can get a reward and they can change his site. So for me, it's like blows my mind, right? So that's the important part. So the blockchain part, we test polygon, we test wax, we test a lot of those technologies. There's a lot of things to do. We are pretty early states in terms of technology. We are in Internet in 99, probably the first order, super slow. And of course the guys who are in the equipment, so the guys who are in the protocol level, they have a lot of work to do because there's a lot of things to be improved, scalability, problems. We can talk a lot about technical things like that. But I think the normal I try to explain things for my grandma, like her to understand the technology. Right? If you are going to explain how gloves work and I'm going to say, well, this is a filament get worm. No, I mean, you only have to turn the light and give light. That's a utility. So that's what you want as a client. That's what I'm trying to bring to the table, the utility.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah. So I love it. It's so incredible. I geek out on this stuff. We can talk for hours. Just all about just NFT's and gaming. I've done a whole block episodes on the podcast, solo episodes of me just talking about, like, future use cases of NFTs. Because having a child being raised in this generation, they are being groomed to understand NFTs a lot better than maybe my generation and your generation and obviously the ones above us, because they know she has spent thousands of dollars. My daughter, she was really big into Roblox and it's like all the skins and all the things. And there was a smiley face going for $1,000. I'm like, no, we're not buying a smiley face for $1,000, I'm sorry. Not unless of course, it's a blockchain one that you can turn around and upsell for 1200 or 1500 and so forth. So this is such a big passion of mine too. But I'm not a builder, I'm not a creator. I love that you're doing this, but.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Let me tell you something about sorry, no go. I think you give the key. I can tell you something about research. Since 2018, some research started to show, and this is a reality that kids value digital assets, more than ten GB assets. So for us that we are older, we don't understand that. We value something. You can touch it, but if you can't touch it, it's not valuable because it doesn't have any sense. But they understand how the world works for them because they are enjoying now these beautiful experiences and we don't understand why they love the game so much. And because they can be whatever they want on the game. They can fly, they can be a famous character. So they have a laughter you go. And they can express themselves there. So they can have status in the retail experience that you can have in real life. So they are starting psychologically to understand that, like, if I have a good skin in Fortnite, I'm a cool guy, and if it's exclusive, I'm cooler.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yes, it's a status symbol. It's a status symbol, yeah.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 NFCs have like three properties, really. One of it is aesthetics. I mean, humanity love beauty, so aesthetics is an important thing. The second one would be status. That's the reason why we spoke about scarcity. It's so important because if there's only one thing in the world, like I have these shoes and there's only one shoes, the value will be like crazy, right? It works like that. And the second one would be the utility. What I can do with this. So basically, if you build up something with those features, you really explore the NFT value. So that's the reason a lot of people start to speak about FTS, about GPGs. Like this is a GPG or this is an image that I can copy, but you are only looking at steel image. But NFTS are much more than that. It's virtual asset and you can copy the utility in the game, on the utility, in a retro experience, on the metaverse. So this is just a starting point. We are in a starting point and this is Wind as well. So you can go and send it and accept it or it's going to crash on you for sure and then.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 You're going to be crying ten years from now. I listened to all those episodes Dr. Brook put out and I listened to all her copilots and amazing people like yourself that we spoke to and I didn't listen. And now I'm over here upset because I didn't listen, because I missed the boat, because I've been telling people the same thing you've just said is we're so early on and this is like the internet in the 1990s, big bulky things like we're so early on and there's so many opportunities and so much potential. It's just like catching.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Super early. Yesterday we were discussing about why Apple were not allowing to use NFTS on the App Store. They are allowed to use it, but you cannot lock things because of course they want to get a fee. And the reason is because they have 1 billion users and there's only zero 2% of wallets in comparison. So we are super early at that amount. So there's a huge amount of time.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Can you say that statistic again? So Apple has 1 billion users and all the wallet addresses 1 billion users.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, there's 2.5 million wallets that are active and a lot of that wallets could be copycats, could be bots. And we don't really know if there's a real possibility on the wallet. So we calculate more or less that compared to iOS, only the blockchain people, it's only 0.2%.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Not even a full percentage. Not even a full percentage.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 2.2% it's compared with iOS. And iOS is only 25% of the market. Android gets 175%. Close your mind. Yes. Super early.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Oh my God.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Like super early.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Thank you for sharing that. I was just like my heart just exploded out of my head. Everything. It is huge. It is so huge. And we are so early. So I want to know. Okay. Triple O Games is on finance chain 2018. It started, we're in 2022. Where are you guys at? Are you finishing the first game deb right now? Like the development and what is the next few years look like for Triple O?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 So we understand something because the data that we were talking, we understand that we can decentralize the world solidly. This is the best thing in the world. Use it because people don't work right out. People used to use things in a manner and you can change even if it's super good, super cool. If you get now a car that drives itself and it was like subscription and you pay like $100 and it comes to pick you up and you're not going to use it, I'm pretty sure because I think this technology always have like rejection. But this is disruptive thing. We have like a conservative feeling always. Like there's a cognitive, I don't know how, it's like a point where we don't accept disruptive innovation.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, there's no way that that's possible. I will tell you. So I have a Tesla. I did not pay for the it's funny you say that because I did not pay for the full self driving. And the reason why I didn't pay for it is because A, I'm not going to put out that kind of money for it. When it's in beta, it's not even fully functional. So you're telling me, I'm going to give you an extra $10,000 to $12,000 for this vehicle that I'm already paying a premium price for and it's not fully functional? No, thank you.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Speaking about the centralization of games, there's a huge amount of people in the Web3 with a lot of money, with a lot of money saying we have to decentralize the world. Of course it will be better. But people are not used to people wants to be something like really easy to use.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 People want to be able to click on the forget password link and easily get their password sent to them. And that right now will not happen in web three.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 No. So we have a lot of problems on web three. Where are we in Triple games? We have the game called Battlegravi that is going to be soon on mobile devices and Android and iOS. And also we are going. To spend it to Nintendo Switch and PC.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Nice.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 And the thing is the market and the technology is evolving so fast that we are changing things every month like okay, now a new technology have come out and we have to include it because it's going to be better and now for example, Apple prohibits the Nstus so of course we have to adapt to it. So startup is super hard but it's disrupting innovation, right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, of course.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 I don't know it's a good moment to be on work three but we have to be careful because people you have to go with the market. You can say someone okay if you are using shoes like super detail and elegant shoes, use sneakers because you are going to be more comfortable and going to be fashion if you put it doesn't work like that you have to show people that that's the way that takes time. So what we are doing basically is plugging to the ones who have the power right now. Those are Apple, Google, Nintendo and Sony, right? So sadly they have the power so we have to go with them.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 You have to play by their rules for right now.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, for sure. Because if not you are not entering in the market and as I said in iOS 1.2 billion was only 1% of that playing the game and earning a little bit of money and that would be crazy money and our mission is to understand NFDS and we are not going to speak about NFT. We are going to say you have the possibility to have a premium asset. With that premium asset you can sell it and you can earn money. So they don't have to even understand about blockchain technology or NFPs. They have to understand the utility and that's what users wins value.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 I agree wholeheartedly. I think that we as people in the space we tend to kind of get a little bit in over our heads sometimes and we start using words and lexicon and things like NFTs and those bits that they don't understand and it almost is a disservice. So when you're taking that terminology out and you're saying hey, you can own this pen and you can sell this pen in the game should you want or if you want to keep it, you keep it. You don't even have to say NFT, you just say this is what you got and I love that.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah, it's the same thing that I told you with the ball example. It's a device that keep lights, right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah that's the utility.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 You don't have to say okay, you know what I mean right?
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Yeah, you don't have to break down the light bulb. Thomas Edison, he was like in his lab and he was trying to make the light bulbs.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 That's all that we are doing on blockchain everyone.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 It is absolutely awesome. How's how can people get in contact with you? How can they stay connected to Triple O games. I will put all the links in the show notes just for easy accessibility, but please do share.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Super simple Tripleagames.com.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 There it is.
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 And we are on social networks. And also my name Sutana Even. I'm on LinkedIn. I'm on Instagram. So easy.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. Did I say that?
 
 [Isidro Quintana]
 Yeah. Perfect.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
 Thank you so much for joining the ride today. And for those of you listening as we pull this train into the station, be sure to exit to your right and we will see you on the next one.
 
 [Dr. Brook Sheehan]
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